Comment on Entry: Dow Constantine and "Jane Doe" vs. The Seattle Times, Part 2, authored by MarkGriswold
1. Well, Times, you've busted through this kind of thing before re the Bellevue teachers, it's time to step up again and protect the public.

Keep calling, people. I just did.

Posted by Michele at October 29, 2009 12:27 PM
2. Just heard the interview on 97.3, good work, and shameful not to have the story on.

I've informally observed Dow since his private practice days and have concerns as well. One that struck me was his thanking of his fellow State Legislators upon passage of his first legislation. He made the point of emphasizing the extraordinary length of the bill, a catch phrase for ambiguous law subject to selective enforcement - an attitude he seems to be consistent on.

Posted by Douglas Tooley at October 29, 2009 12:29 PM
3. If there's nothing to hide or cover up, why is the Times' request for PUBLIC DOCUMENTS being sandbagged?

The MSM was only too happy to pander to lurid curiosity re: the KIRO lawsuit. Yet now when the shoe is on the other foot, it's just "rumors"?

What do these documents show that is so damaging to Dow Constantine, that they can't be reviewed until after the election?

Posted by boing boing at October 29, 2009 12:46 PM
4. Tyler Firkins does not specialize in sexual harassment.

Tyler K. Firkins

Primary Areas of Practice
Catastrophic injury, wrongful death, government liability, civil rights, medical malpractice, commercial litigation, education law, constitutional law, and criminal defense.

It is silly to point to one case and say that it's his specialty. He also represented a high-profile case regarding child abuse. Are you sure Jane Doe isn't a child that Dow Constantine brutally assaulted?

Jane Doe doesn't want to release potentially damaging information to the press. The courts agree with her. You are simply making up claims of sexual harassment. You are making them up. You're playing pretty dirty politics, Mark.

Posted by John Jensen at October 29, 2009 01:45 PM
5. John Jensen, If the request from Mr. Ervin of the TIMES was for any documents pertaining to Sexual Harrassment and Dow Constantine. Why should anyone assume that the documents being withheld pertain to something other than sexual harrassment? On what basis would we make that assumption?

Your citation of Mr. Firkins specialty areas includes "Government liability" do you mean like governments involved in lawsuits over sexual harrassment? Particularly supervisor/subordinate cases.

Posted by Smokie at October 29, 2009 02:10 PM
6. Hey John Jensen,

You seem to know quite a bit, so PLEASE tell us more.

Timeline: January 2009

Ron Sims is rumored to be tabbed for a job in the Obama Administration.

Dow's calendar shows meetings with campaign types... and of course they want to know if there are any stories from the past that could HURT him...

And COINCIDENTALLY OF COURSE at same time he notes that he needs to find an attorney for [name deleted but could it be Jane Doe?]

Said attorney just coincidentally being an old college classmate of Dow's...

And public records are suddenly under restraining orders?

With NO explanation from Dow. None.

SO - SINCE YOU KNOW SO MUCH:

Has Dow been accused of sexual harassment or has any county employee complained of offensive behavior?

Have any threats been made to Jane Doe to coerce her into silence?


Oh, and just for the heck of it:

You seem to post on every blog I come across. Continuously. All day long. How do you enjoy your government job?

Posted by WhatDoesJohnJensenKnow at October 29, 2009 02:16 PM
7. Smokie, you need to understand that Firkins was representing Jane Doe, not King County. His job was to block the release of these documents, not a "lawsuit over sexual harassment."

We do not know the contents of the documents. They could be an empty allegation. For Mark to go full-on accusing Dow of having "wandering hands" is dirty and pathetic. Susan Hutchison doesn't share the values of King County voters, and she's going lose. The polling looks bad. So things get dirty.

Posted by John Jensen at October 29, 2009 02:18 PM
8. Again, Mark... you're basing multiple posts on hearsay. I would have expected that after the last time this happened, you would be more careful.

Posted by demo kid at October 29, 2009 02:21 PM
9. John, come on, how about linking to the lawyer's actual bio?

@6 - Interesting point. Seems Constantine and Firkins graduated from University of Washington in the same year: 1985. Coincidence? Perhaps.

What does Constantine's campaign mouthpiece Sandeep Kaushik have to say about this? Anyone? Anyone?

Posted by lulu at October 29, 2009 02:25 PM
10. John Jensen @ #7:

"Susan Hutchison doesn't share the values of King County voters,. . . "

Oh really? And what values are those Mr. Jensen?

Posted by G Jiggy at October 29, 2009 02:25 PM
11. lulu, how about linking to the lawyer's actual bio?

I did. I linked to the same page you did.

G Jiggy, Oh really? And what values are those Mr. Jensen?

For one, she's just wrong on light rail and doesn't have a real handle on how to fix Metro's budget crisis. Transit is very important to me, and she has illustrated a lot of ignorance on the subject whereas Dow is a wonk on the subject.

I don't expect you to agree with me. But KC approved ST2 last November by 60%, and always approved Metro revenue increases by an overwhelming percentage. These are values that King County has that Susan doesn't share.

Posted by John Jensen at October 29, 2009 02:29 PM
12. John with you being on Team Dow we would expect nothing less then your best deflection effort. How are things in Newcastle these days?

Posted by Smokie at October 29, 2009 02:36 PM
13. Smokie, I live on Capitol Hill in Seattle and not in Newcastle. But I'm glad I'm so personally important to you.

Posted by John Jensen at October 29, 2009 02:42 PM
14. Capital Hill? You must know Dow from his "clubbing" activites. It really doesn't matter where you live, what does matter is who Dow was hitting on at work. Particularly if it going to end up costing taxpayers money.

Posted by Smokie at October 29, 2009 02:48 PM
15. I thought it was funny that the temporary order blocking release of the records was for 14 days. Maybe that's just standard, but mighty convenient I'd say!

"Jane Doe" is worried that release of her complaint will harm her employment. Yeah, the predator who harassed her is on the verge of a big promotion. She should be more savvy, though. IF Dow wins and IF she is fired, then her settlement prospects zoom into the seven figures. Courts (one hopes) don't exist to protect politicians. Maybe I'm one of the few people who still thinks that. :)

Posted by AD at October 29, 2009 02:49 PM
16. We do not know the contents of the documents. They could be an empty allegation.

As they concern public employees, they are required to release these documents. Buying 2 weeks does exactly what for Jane Doe anyway? Nothing. The senile judge was either incompetent or just the usual democrat shill on the bench quashing a public interest story before a major election takes place. If you don't like having public employees having allegations made by them or against them made public, it's simple...
...find a job in the private sector where such matters are dealt with in a more discreet manner (i.e. don't work for a public institution). Realease the documents now.

Posted by Rick D. at October 29, 2009 02:54 PM
17. Yeah, the predator who harassed her is on the verge of a big promotion.

Hurrah for libel! You have no proof of this.

Posted by demo kid at October 29, 2009 03:17 PM
18. Even PubliCola offers only a luke warm defense. Dow's ferry must have just sprung a leak.

Posted by Smokie at October 29, 2009 04:16 PM
19. Gee I wonder what kind of "value voter" it is that favorably compares Dow Constantine and Roman Polanski as victims and then goes on to say that Dow is the right choice?

Thats a new level of twisted supporter you have there Dow!

Posted by Smokie at October 29, 2009 05:01 PM
20. Value Voters get thyself to treatment post haste.
You are seriously comparing Dow Constantine and Roman Polanski ( a convicted, self admitted child molester) and claiming they are both victims of right wing smear tactics? Then you go on to say that's a reason to vote for Dow?

Note to Dow campaign, no more booze and dope at the staff blog parties.

Posted by Smokie at October 29, 2009 05:12 PM
21. John Jensen @ 11;

Love of light rail is a "value"? Sheesh.

Look John, there is no way that Hutcinson, an outsider can know all about the niggling little details of transportation. Dow's been steeped in it for years. Did it ever occur to you that Dow is the problem with Metro? He's been at KC for long enough to cure Metro's problems but hasn't. Time for a real problem solver to take a swing at it and that problem solver is Hutchinson.

Like I've said before, Dow is part of the problem. Why re-elect him and continue the decline? Makes no sense to me.

Posted by G Jiggy at October 29, 2009 05:15 PM
22. Value they were simply trying to save you from the shame of your previous rant.

Posted by Smokie at October 29, 2009 05:16 PM
23. they are NOT required to release the documents.

Sure they are, they're public employees. One is lying which makes it public 'need to know' information. If they weren't required to reveal the information, there would have been no need to have a judge step in with a restraining order and could have told the reporter to go pound sand. Think for a change, mike.

it protects her privacy until after the election. that's nothing?

Yes, in the scheme of things, it's nothing. It changes nothing. The only thing it could affect is the public, in the light of the allegations, choosing not to elect a perverted superior who enjoys chasing his female subordinates around the table instead of doing the work he's paid to do.

wow. you should say that to the commisioner's face - or are you just a big coward, all talk and no walk?

I'd say it to whomever needed to hear it. This judge is a fool and an imbecile or he's simply doing his democrat party duty and protecting a fellow party shill from embarrassing revelations from seeing the light of day. Take your pick, mike.

Posted by Rick D. at October 29, 2009 05:19 PM
24. I'm sensing a rather clear note of desperation here in the Hutchinson campaign.

They suddenly realize they are down over 15 points in the polls and feel the need to use operatives like Griswold to spread completely unsubstantiated rumors of sexual harassment about her opponent. Classy, very classy.

Fortunately, it will have little, if any, effect.

First off, a large number of voters have already cast their ballots thanks to the mail-in system. I love it for precisely this reason. It limits the value of these kinds of scum-bag tactics.

If you've got something negative, something that can be substantiated, get it out early, so it can be vetted and the opposition can respond and everyone gets a chance to hear about it.

A good example might be something like, say your opponent was fired by a former employer for doing things like calling in sick when they were really out river rafting.

Or suppose your opponent forgot, or just didn't bother to vote in the last 40 elections.

Or suppose your opponent just flat our lied about her political contributions over the last several years in an attempt to mask her party affiliation in a non-partisan race.

Secondly, there are no swing voters tuning into Sound Politics, for useful info on how to cast their ballots. In this venue, you most likely had your mind made up and your ballot marked long before this ever came up.

But we love it all, wonderful entertainment. I'll have to plan on being at Susie's election night party. It promises to be a gas.

Posted by Rush Limbaugh Fan at October 29, 2009 05:20 PM
25. G Jiggy, Look John, there is no way that Hutcinson, an outsider can know all about the niggling little details of transportation.

I know the niggling little details of transportation. I am just an informed citizen. I do not need to overlook Hutchison's inability to be informed.

She suggests putting light rail over SR-520, to preserve lanes on I-90. Never mind that those HOV lanes will be moved to the outer spans -- no net loss of lanes. Never mind that her plan would delay rail to the Eastside by years, delay the SR-520 bridge by years, and cost hundreds of millions more. Never mind that the SR-520 to Husky rail infrastructure would be an engineering nightmare -- and trains wouldn't be able to go directly downtown because of capacity issues. So everyone would have to transfer at Husky stadium -- still creating capacity issues.

The executive appoints 10 of the 18 Sound Transit board members. It's this type of completely uninformed policy position that makes a vote for Hutchison untenable.

Did it ever occur to you that Dow is the problem with Metro? He's been at KC for long enough to cure Metro's problems but hasn't

Metro's has some efficiency gaps, as a recent audit revealed. It's important we fix those. Either executive will do that, but Dow will actually know what's going on. The biggest revenue problem is the dependence on the sales tax that came after Eyman's car tab initiatives passed. Given that Dow is interested in transit whereas Hutchison isn't, who do I expect to be more focused on the issue? Dow.

And look, not everything is solved by kicking down the doors of a building and installing an unqualified news anchor to run the biggest county in the state. When you hear her talk about Metro's revenue crisis of $100mn a year, she focuses on $2mn in avoided fares. 2% of the problem. (Collecting those fares would require costly enforcement, and a lot of folks who evade now just wouldn't ride -- meaning you're not going to recover $2mn or anything close to it.)

These are complexities and nuances in policy that I understand. I know Dow understand them too, because he is a transportation wonk. Hutchison doesn't understand these issues. Transportation is important to me, and the severe policy problems would prevent me from voting for Hutchison.

I think that's good enough reason for my vote. It's a smarter rationale, I think, than THROW THE BUMS OUT!!!

Posted by John Jensen at October 29, 2009 05:30 PM
26. You know what's funny, the projection of desperation by Team Dow. Where is Dow, Where is Sandeep? Huddled at campaign headquaters trying to figure a way out? This is probably a much bigger problem than Dow counted on because once it's out, he cannot control it. He isn't getting out in front of the issue, so he can say "I told you so", why?

It could be nothing. absolutely. So Dow will be on the airwaves tomorrow asking "Jane Doe" to come forward and lift the restraining order ASAP so he can clear his name. If he doesn't and he doesn't make public assurances that the "Jane Doe" will be given the full protection of the HR system at King County, we must assume there is something to it.

Posted by Smokie at October 29, 2009 05:41 PM
27. @ 19 mike: "they are NOT required to release the documents."

Au contraire, mike. Thanks to Markgriswald's new post, it would appear that even Dow Constantine disagrees with you on this point.

"Frankly, I'm an open book. I've lived in this community 48 years. Everything I've done as a public official is a matter of public record. ... I want to make sure we carry that spirit forward." ~ Dow Constantine

Where's your spirit, mike?

Posted by Rick D. at October 29, 2009 05:44 PM
28. Now that's the rational of a 24 year old. I don't care what he's done, illegal, immoral, I just don't care, he is good on transportation and that's good enough for me.

There I put in a paragraph for you John.

Posted by Smokie at October 29, 2009 05:45 PM
29. I wonder how much money JJ and mike & demo kid get for being on here all day?

Posted by Yosemite Sam at October 29, 2009 05:51 PM
30. And look, not everything is solved by kicking down the doors of a building and installing an unqualified news anchor to run the biggest county in the state. - John Jensen

Modified for John:
...And look, not everything is solved by kicking down the doors of [the whitehouse] and installing an unqualified [1st term senator with no experience] to run the [greatest country in the free world].

Funny, john. inexperience didn't seem to bother you when voting nearly a year ago and for an office vastly larger in scale and responsibility. It's simply breathtaking the disconnect liberals have with logic and reality.

Posted by Rick D. at October 29, 2009 05:55 PM
31. Smokie, I don't care what he's done, illegal, immoral, I just don't care, he is good on transportation and that's good enough for me.

Oh wait so I vote on the issues instead of making things up based on a lack of evidence? Wow, I sure am one uninformed voter.

Posted by John Jensen at October 29, 2009 06:05 PM
32. Just a few appropriate phrases:

HOPE AND CHANGE
CULTURE OF CORRUPTION
DRAIN THE SWAMP
BUSINESS AS USUAL

I wonder how our resident Leftists feel about those phrases now... After all, they were all for using an untested, unknown, inexperienced back-bencher to head the Presidential ticket in 2008. Not good enough for King County?

Posted by Shanghai Dan at October 29, 2009 06:13 PM
33. "I wonder how much money JJ and mike & demo kid get for being on here all day?"

I often wonder the same thing, particularly when they repeat the same talking points we received today in a Dow Constantine mail piece.

One thing is pretty obvious from this comment thread. Liberals aren't exactly happy campers right now.

Oh, I almost forgot. Liberals are never happy.

Posted by Bill Cruchon at October 29, 2009 06:58 PM
34. Hey, here's one lib that's pretty happy. We're up seventeen points.

Posted by Rush Limbaugh Fan at October 29, 2009 07:24 PM
35. We're looking at a GOOOOP food fight in NY-23, Olympia Snow is on the hot seat, and only 20% of the American people identify themselves as Rebubicans.

Life is good.

Posted by Rush Limbaugh Fan at October 29, 2009 07:30 PM
36. I dunno, Bill -- I'm feeling pretty happy. And I'm expecting to be even happier next week when all you'll have is another chance to bitch about KC Elections.

Cheers.

Posted by scottd at October 29, 2009 07:38 PM
37. As a lifelong Democrat, I am disgusted at yet another lech in the party. I'd have thought after Bill Clinton we'd purged the party of them.

It is for that reason alone that I am holding my nose and voting for Hutchison. As Democrats we need to start holdig our own accountable or we will eventually face a huge election loss as voter disgust reaches a tipping point.

Posted by Loyal Democrat at October 29, 2009 08:02 PM
38. @ 7 John J. : Susan Hutchison doesn't share the values of King County voters, and she's going lose.

If the predatory tactics of Dow Constantine upon a female subordinate is the "share[d]...values of King county voters...", that's a very telling statement about the depravity of king county's values. What's even more depraved is the unabashed excuses spewing forth from ideologues that will overlook such discretions in order to advance their political ideology. Pathetic.

Posted by Rick D. at October 29, 2009 08:21 PM
39. Johnnie Jensen @ 11, 24, 34;

You can twist it any way you want there John-Boy but Dow is part of the problem. He's been in the drivers seat (budget committee) for at least 6 years and the county is a basket case. Broke, disorganized, hostile to affordable housing and corrupt. OK, you like riding the public transportation (in fact you seem to like it a little too much, you know what I mean?), I get that, but Hutchinson isn't going to close down your freebie. You seem like a bitter clinger holding onto your buses and trains as a defense against a clean candidate. Scary.

Bill @ 36:
"I often wonder the same thing, particularly when they repeat the same talking points we received today in a Dow Constantine mail piece."

The mailers is where they get their objective facts.

They're figgin' boobs. Every last one.

Posted by G Jiggy at October 29, 2009 09:14 PM
40. Mark: When it says "Jane Doe", does that necessarily mean it's a "Jane"? Or could it be a "John Doe", as well, and they're not really required to specify the gender in these things?

Posted by Michele at October 29, 2009 11:59 PM
41. OMG, Michele! Might Dow Constantine be a homosexual? Very classy political dialogue! With the likes of you on their side, I'm certain Republicans are clearly likely on the rebound, especially here. King County voters are surely cr-a-a-a-zy for not following your baseless insinuation!

Posted by Todd Reeves at October 30, 2009 01:11 AM
42. OMG, Michele! Might Dow Constantine be a homosexual? Very classy political dialogue! With the likes of you on their side, I'm certain Republicans are clearly likely on the rebound, especially here. King County voters are surely cr-a-a-a-zy for not following your baseless insinuation!

Posted by Todd Reeves at October 30, 2009 01:11 AM
43. Imagine if the shoe was on the other foot. The Times would be breathlessly tripping over itself to get records unsealed. But this is Progressive Seattle. Friends will keep anything interesting quiet for Dow for a few more days.

Posted by Jeff B. at October 30, 2009 01:14 AM
44. Any chance if Firkins and Constantine went to school together at UW, that they were fraternity brothers? Or is that too conspiratorial for y'all?

Posted by jigsaw at October 30, 2009 01:18 AM
45. Frat brothers? OMG -- maybe they were also homosexual lovers! OMG!!!

Posted by Todd Reeves at October 30, 2009 01:28 AM
46. What "Inference" are you making Todd?

Posted by Smokie at October 30, 2009 02:21 AM
47. Being Homo lovers would probably get them elected in King County. Knowing if how they voted on R71 could do more to sink em than anything else.

If he only would go to high class hookers, he'd not have to worry about such complaints.

Posted by Elliot Spitzer at October 30, 2009 04:35 AM
48. 'john Jensen':

I'm a King County voter and Susan Hutchison shares my values far more than Dow Constantine.
Hutchison has solutions to the problems that Dow created.
Dow claims to be the guy that can get us out of the mess that he and Ron Sims created.

Posted by DPW at October 30, 2009 05:51 AM
49. You seem like a bitter clinger holding onto your buses and trains as a defense against a clean candidate.

We voted for those buses and trains, G Jiggy. I'd prefer candidates listen to the voters and the experts, and not decide to cancel light rail because Kemper Freeman is rich.

Posted by John Jensen at October 30, 2009 10:19 AM
50. G Jiggy, The mailers is where they get their objective facts.

What are you talking about? I cited in detail my issues on Hutchison's transportation plan. Not a single person here besides me has made ONE POLICY POINT.

Posted by John Jensen at October 30, 2009 10:22 AM
51. I wrote Keith at the Seattle Times, got no response. I wrote David Boardman, Editor at the Times. We sent several E-mails back and forth. Bottom line, the Times does not believe this is a story and unless they can get the restraining order removed they are NOT going to print the story. Funny, they didn't have that problem when they went after Susan to get her court records released. They don't believe they have any bias or wrong motivation.

Posted by Bernie at October 30, 2009 10:47 AM
52. Todd, whatever are you talking about? I ask an attorney a simple question regarding anonymity and you start accusing Dow of being homosexual? Do you always read way too much into questions? You embarrass yourself.

Posted by Michele at October 30, 2009 11:27 AM
53. It had never entered my mind that Dow is gay, nor was that the point, silly. You guys are reading waaay waaay too much into other people's questions. My reason for asking the question was that I wanted to know if naming someone "Jane Doe" or "John Doe" was required to match the gender of the person or if that was random, for whatever reason, esp. if they did not want the gender revealed for certain. You guys are funny, reading far beyond the surface question something that was never there. Wow.

Posted by Michele at October 30, 2009 06:11 PM
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