Maybe if you guys gave less credence to the Faux Outrage Wurlitzer you'd find a way to put forth Republican candidates who have a snowball's chance in this state.
"The president who, again and again, blamed the attack on a video"
Really? Jim, why don't you just post the President's remark where he said "I blame the attack on a video."
You and your crowd are denser than a white dwarf.
Posted by MikeBoyScout at November 5, 2012 02:05 PM+:}
Posted by red hiney monkey at November 5, 2012 03:01 PMLeterman: "Our ambassador and three others were killed in an attack on the consulate in Benghazi. Is that an act of war, Mr. President? Are we at war now? What happens here?"
Obama: "Here's what happened. Eh, eh... Y-y-you had a video that was released by somebody who lives here, sort of a shadowy character who -- who is an extremely offensive "
Posted by Gary at November 5, 2012 03:17 PMThe State Department is in charge of and responsible for security at embassies and consulates. The Defense department contributes Marines, the traditional guards of diplomatic offices. There were numerous forces including C130 gunships and special ops groups that could have been deployed almost immediately to defend the Consulate.
Obama is at the top of the chain of command for all Departments and the military. All of the cowardice he displayed and coverup to protect his reelection campaign are criminal. I he is reelected, there are ample grounds to impeach him for the Benghazi outrage and his failure to respond immediately.
The White House was receiving a live video feed from the consulate during the attack that occurred after months of lesser incidents and attacks leading up to 9/11/12. Their denial of the facts of the incident of nearly 3 weeks, then spin and more spin and diversions to cover up for Obama, Hilary, Panetta and their minions are visible and undeniable.
All of this was ignored by ST in its editorial. The editorial is journalistic malpractice at its worst.
Here is a link to the only major newspaper, the WSJ, that reliably reports the truth concerning the aftermath of the Benghazi tragedy that comprehensively analyzes the situation:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204712904578090612465153472.html?KEYWORDS=fog+of+benghazi
I cancelled my subscriptions to ST today because of its craven editorai.
Posted by Paddy at November 5, 2012 04:29 PMBrave Americans need to take risks.
Posted by THE-Ave.US at November 5, 2012 05:25 PMThere is, by the way, nothing inherently wrong in publishing, or broadcasting, incomplete and possibly false accounts, as long as the reporters are honest about their uncertainty, and diligent about correcting errors, when they make them.
That's not what the Times' editorial accuses Faux Noise of doing, The claim is that Rupert's boys deliberately peddled a narrative they knew was misleading or worse, in order to force an admission from the CIA which could compromise the latter's sources of information. That's a far different thing from an honest attempt to bring information back from a war zone.
Posted by tensor at November 5, 2012 08:49 PMWhat did he do? Where was he? Where's his super cool picture showing how strong he is?
Why didn't he protect the embassy? Why didn't Hillary tell him he should be? Why wouldn't he send help, when they had actionable intel on the ground and in the air?
Why is it a faulty CIA timeline is now being touted?
Fox did reporting and put out the news. CBS did and declined to disclose at the 1st release....after the 2nd debate (where O would have been seen as even more a petulant child and liar) and only did put out some until today. MSNBC stuck it's finger up it's collective sphincter and blamed Romney.
Posted by Dengle at November 5, 2012 09:51 PMJust what is your point? That terrorists are out and about doing damage where they can? I don;t think surprises anyone (except maybe teh Obama Admnistration.)
I don't think you understand the argument at all. Suicide attacks are usually a surprise attack of a rather short time frame and have little to do with the Benghazi issue. The complaint is that requests for increased defense was made and ignored. I'm sure it was a judgement call, and maybe excusable. Intelligence was presented that showed the there was a threat, but that was not acted upon. That too could be a judgement call. Lots of threats are assessed and I doubt intelligence gets them all right. The bigger complaint was that the fight lasted 7 or so hours and we had available units in the area to send to the rescue and that was not done. That TOO was a judgement call, but one I hardly think is excusable. This was no suicide bomber, this was a sustained attack with time enough for a counter by US forces. None of your links are in any way similar and thus they are irrelevant to the issue.
Additionally, I don;t think any of them had a 2 week "blame a video" mis-information campaign after the attacks.
Posted by Eyago at November 5, 2012 11:24 PM"And that is what we saw play out in the last two weeks, where a crude and disgusting video sparked outrage throughout the Muslim world. Now, I have made it clear that the United States government had nothing to do with this video, and I believe its message must be rejected by all who respect our common humanity. It is an insult not only to Muslims, but to America as well." - From The Washington Post's transcript of Obama's 9/25/2012 speech to the UN. I wonder which "outrage in the Muslim world" he's talking about when he specifically mentioned Chris Stevens being killed two weeks earlier. He doesn't give any other reasons for the "outrage".
Posted by It Takes a Village to Convene a Grand Jury at November 6, 2012 01:00 AMAnd that Mitt Romney is:
Calm and reasoned, not petulant.
Respectful, not mocking.
Diligent, not a playboy or star struck.
Responsible, not reckless.
A veteran, not an amateur.
Presidential, not dictatorial.
Proof, CBS is part of the Obama reelection team.
Posted by Jeff B. at November 6, 2012 02:20 AMLeftists hate Fox News for one reason; and that is that Fox is the only network that stands for truth. The leftist media has chained itself to the lie that is Barack Obama, and as a result will not reveal (or even discuss) his cowardly and traitorous (in)actions during the terrorist attacks on our Benghazi consulate.
Spin your lies somewhere else, Mike BS.
"A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who speaks lies will not escape." Proverbs 19:5
Posted by Saltherring at November 6, 2012 06:45 AMThe lying left could never get away with their lies without the full cooperation of the scumbag media. How do any of them sleep at night?
Posted by Saltherring at November 6, 2012 03:46 PMAnd guess what, y'all just essentially lost the nafional AND the state election. DEAL with it!
Posted by progressive at November 6, 2012 09:19 PMAnd guess what, y'all just essentially lost the nafional AND the state election. DEAL with it!
Posted by progressive at November 6, 2012 09:20 PMAlso, it would be great to hear from puffed ability the trouncing of Koster.
Posted by mike at November 6, 2012 10:56 PMI think you just did, mike. Stupid is as stupid does, and King county, WA never fails to deliver that reality.
Posted by Rick D. at November 6, 2012 11:27 PMThe comment threads lack any real debate as the few serious commenters (on both sides) got tired of all the name-calling and similar elementary school behavior.
I'm not writing this because I disagree with SP's politics or because your side lost big tonight. The right still has ideas worth discussing. But it's not happening here.
Posted by Bruce at November 6, 2012 11:31 PMName me one.
Posted by SmoledMan at November 7, 2012 01:00 AMIn six weeks, it will all be over and you can get on with the serious work of figuring out who to blame.We already know who's to blame for the mess we're in, scottd. Barack Obama and his failed policies over the past 4 years. That's why Romney will win in November and the people send the OJT president (that was never qualified for the position in the first place) packing back to Chicago's southside where he belongs. It's really simple- substance over style.
Posted by: Rick D. on September 27, 2012 09:18 AM
Back early from the victory celebration, Rick? How'd it go?
Posted by scottd at November 7, 2012 04:10 AMWhat celebration? I didn't lose last night, nor did the Republican party, scottd. The real loser last night was the United States of America, whom chose to re-elect an incompetent President based solely on his skin color. I can't help stupid people make the right decsions, that's something they have to work out on their own.
Posted by Rick D. at November 7, 2012 06:23 AMThat's brilliant, Rick. I may not be as smart as you, but at least I know that getting fewer votes than your opponent means you lost.
Posted by scottd at November 7, 2012 06:38 AM
Thanks scottd ;-)
Get a grip man.
Posted by MikeBoyScout at November 7, 2012 08:47 AMIronically, bitter wingnut tears taste the sweetest.
Posted by Wayne at November 7, 2012 11:01 AMI came here to gloat...but, Gawd, it's pathetic around here.
Do you people have no self-respect? There's no post on the front page earlier than Nov 5?!!
We just had a huge election, with all sorts of political and policy implications, and you guys can't manage to even discuss?
I guess this is a reflection of the state of right-wing 'thought' at this point - bankrupt.
Do y'all suppose pudge is at home sparking a splif to make it all go away?
Posted by Dr. Liberal at November 7, 2012 11:55 AMI came here to gloat...but, Gawd, it's pathetic around here.
Do you people have no self-respect? There's no post on the front page earlier than Nov 5?!!
We just had a huge election, with all sorts of political and policy implications, and you guys can't manage to even discuss?
I guess this is a reflection of the state of right-wing 'thought' at this point - bankrupt.
Do y'all suppose pudge is at home sparking a splif to make it all go away?
Posted by Dr. Liberal at November 7, 2012 11:55 AMthat rewards the lazy and slothful in deference to those who sacrifice, create jobs and produce.
that will soon run out of money to borrow, leaving you without all the free stuff you traded your liberties for.
that has chosen to leave our borders and embassies (and soon our cities) unprotected and undefended, opening the door to violent and evil enemies.
that has chosen to abandon our long-time allies in deference to those who have sworn to kill every American.
who has offered little or no assistance to those suffering from the effects of hurricane Sandy. What will they offer when the "big one" flattens Seattle? Don't hold your breath.
that has cut oil and gas drilling permits on private land by 50% and refuses to drill for America's bountiful energy reserves on public lands, leaving us dependent on those who would kill us. $6-$10 gas, here we come.
that continues to sanction the murder of helpless, unborn children. Only a society without shame would promote such evil.
You have also voted to:
legalize a worthless substance, ensuring we will have even more lazy, stupid, zoned-out people to take care of.
allow sodomite queers "marry" each other, mocking God and natural law.
I believe this country...and particularly Washington State...to be under the hand of God's judgement. A worthless, wicked and ungrateful majority of our people reaffirmed yesterday what they value. Mockers and scoffers beware: There will be hell to pay.
Posted by Saltherring at November 7, 2012 01:48 PM
You mean like what happened on 9/11/2001, when Bush allowed bin Laden to kill thousands of Americans, while he read "My Pet Goat"?
That kind of failure?
Posted by Dr. Liberal at November 7, 2012 01:59 PMOddly, I am not in despair. Disappointed, yes, but determined more than anything.
The note I sent to an uncle and pal this morning was as thus:
Congratulations, your guy won
And the best man lost.
I know that I will endure the economic suffering coming under Obama2 (We already are having lost nearly 20% in our investments before we woke up and the company D works for HAD a $400,000 order in hand to begin manufacturing if Romney won and to tear up if he lost), my conscious is clear that I am not the cause of it.
One thing I will do, IF the markets settle down and attempt to recover before the end of the year, is withdraw ALL our investment money from the market. I would rather pay 15% now than risk the near certainty of having to pay double that when we need the money... which at our age, we surely do/will. Frankly, I am scared to death about our personal economic future. At our age, mine and hubby's, do we have 4 more years to provide a more secure future for the time we have left, especially if we have a lot of time left? Nope.
I'll continue to pray for this country and for the souls of those who chose temporal pleasures and promises rather than God's way, the Constitution and sound, proven economic principles. I believe in my country and will fight harder against a government that fight me and stands against everything I believe in.
Love, C
I have no illusion that Obama and Reid will work with the House, nor that they will accept responsibility for the destruction happening on their watch. There was a cartoon going around wondering who Obama will blame if he wins. Great question.
Someone I love and someone of whom I'm extraordinary proud is the "unexpected guest" in this Unexpected Guest Post...
What struck me beyond the message and my pride in the author was a recurring theme in the comments regarding charity.
My sister responded to the 'victory speech at Huffpo:
Yes, Obama and the Liberals won. You now OWN IT ALL. You can take the country down the road to Greece, Italy, France, etc. We will let you. We will not stand in your way. You can live and die on your Keynesian economics while ambassadors and border agents are murdered, citizens in the northeast are still without power from Katrina -- I mean Sandy -- and with a Noreaster barreling through the region again and violent crime continues to increase - particularly in Chicago. Yes, let's see what you and big government can do to help all the victims left in the wake of the policies and calamities of the last 4 years.. maybe if we're lucky, you'll make a movie about it.
Perhaps Atlas has shrugged. I really don't know, but if so, I don't blame him.
Now, I'm going to make a prediction: a few weeks ago, when Americans were killed in Benghazi, Hillary Clinton threw herself under Obama's bus. I expect she did so for a price. Since that time, Joe Biden has been increasingly and alarmingly erratic. My prediction is that soon after inauguration, Joe Biden will retire for "health reasons" and Obama will appoint Hillary, thus setting her up for 2016 as her reward for Libya.
Posted by RagnarDanneskold at November 7, 2012 02:34 PMYou can read what Richard Clarke, Bill Clinton's terror czar, said could have been done by the Bush Administration to prevent 9/11 from happening:
GORTON: Now, since my yellow light is on, at this point my final question will be this: Assuming that the recommendations that you made on January 25th of 2001, based on Delenda, based on Blue Sky, including aid to the Northern Alliance, which had been an agenda item at this point for two and a half years without any action, assuming that there had been more Predator reconnaissance missions, assuming that that had all been adopted say on January 26th, year 2001, is there the remotest chance that it would have prevented 9/11?
CLARKE: No.
Sorry to burst your little liberal bubble - but 9/11 can be laid DIRECTLY at the feet of the Clinton Administration and its intelligence failures. Per the Clinton Administration Czar directly in charge of that very thing.
Do y'all suppose pudge is at home sparking a splif to make it all go away?
Posted by Dr. Liberal at November 7, 2012 11:55 AM
Dear Jerk, screw you. You DO REALIZE that most here have JOBS and the writing for SP is extracurricular, don't you? Since you are so disappointed there is not one to who to gloat, start your own blog and gloat away. Perhaps your very first post can be an explanation of why liberals are such ungracious winners.
Posted by RagnarDanneskold at November 7, 2012 03:21 PMSigned,
Atlas
Awwww....somebody has their fee-fees hurt?
...why liberals are such ungracious winners.
Well, Ragnar (heh), perhaps I'm behaving in the style of John Galt...I'm a winner, my people are winners, and we're proud. We refuse to be brought down by all you slackers and takers.
How can an Objectivist, with a straight face and any shred of dignity, complaint about 'ungracious winners'?
You are a parody of yourself.
Posted by Dr. Liberal at November 7, 2012 05:36 PM*snort*
*guffaw*
Wow, you sure have an inflated sense of the importance of Geckko and Galt, don't you?
Both grifters, Mittster is an uninspired and not too smart rich kid who got richer by ruining other peoples' companies and picking their bones clean - an anti-producer, if you will. And young Eddie Munster, um, Paul Ryan, is the 'intellectual leader' of the Republican party whose math does not add up and who has never had a non-government job since he left McDonald's as a teenager.
Some heroes you got there, salty.
Posted by Dr. Liberal at November 8, 2012 10:00 PM