Comment on Entry: Plantu Explains The 2012 Election To The Seattle Times, authored by Jim Miller
1. I guess poor blacks and Hispanics just don't understand how much they would have benefited from lower taxes for the rich, Medicare vouchers, increased defense spending, and higher deficits ... Romney should have spent a lot of money on black and Hispanic media, explaining how good his policies would have been for these folks ...

Posted by Richard Pope at November 9, 2012 09:27 AM
2. Jim: Being purposely obstinate, ignorant and dishonest is what got your party into this mess. Personally, I think that you will relish the role of being a lone voice lying in the wilderness.

Posted by red hiney monkey at November 9, 2012 10:17 AM
3. The black unemployment rate hit 14.1 percent in October. The gap between white and unemployment rates has increased while Obama has been president.

It would be wrong to blame Obama for all our economic ills, but it is easy to see many areas in which his administration has hurt job creation, the Keystone Pipeline, ObamaCare, the continual hostility to job creators, rising gas prices, et cetera, et cetera.


Posted by Jim Miller at November 9, 2012 11:03 AM
4. Jim:
When George W. Bush won (barely) re-election in 2004, the Times ran a smiling photo of Bush under the headline "Bush pledges to press anti-terror effort."
Meanwhile, the British tabloid the Daily Mirror ran the headline:
"Doh! 4 more years of Dubya
How could 59,054,087 American be so Dumb?"
So there's hardly anything new about a daily newspaper running a headline about who just won the presidential election and running a quote from, and the smiling visage of, the winner -- or the foreign media taking a slap at our decision.
That said, it is easy to understand the disappointment and disorientation Romney fans are going through right now. A lot of us (50 percent, give or take)remember those feelings well from November 2004.

Posted by shapz at November 9, 2012 11:25 AM
5. re 3: "It would be wrong to blame Obama for all our economic ills, but it is easy to see many areas in which his administration has hurt job creation, the Keystone Pipeline, ObamaCare, the continual hostility to job creators, rising gas prices, et cetera, et cetera."

Garbage in, Garbage out. There is not a factual piece of information that you have presented. You just string together little snippets of this and that that attach well to your pre-existing notions.

You know very well that Republicans have been obstructing every jobs program the Democrats have presented, and then you blame the lack of jobs on a pipeline (or some other tiny thing that wouldn't have made much difference) that would have offered maybe a few thousand temporary jobs -- and at what cost to the environment.

Admit it. The reason that the recovery has been slow is that Republicans went to great lengths to make sure that it would be.

Posted by red hiney monkey at November 9, 2012 12:04 PM
6. shapz - Thank you for the history, and your thoughtful comment.

In 2004, Bush won with a 2.5 percent margin in the popular vote, almost exactly the margin that Obama has right now. (He may improve that slightly as more votes from California and Washington come in.) So, if barely applies to the 2004 victory, it would also apply to this year's.

(I should add that I think this year's race would have been much closer had it not been for the one-sided coverage of the Sandy recovery efforts, where Obama got much credit he did not deserve.)

As to the Seattle Times front page, two comments, one specific and one general. Specifically, I thought the giant picture was way too much, since it crowded out almost all the news.

And then let me make this general observation: I often pick up three newspapers at lunch time, the Seattle Times, the New York Times, and the Wall Street Journal. If the three have the same lead story on the Obama administration, as they often do, the NYT and the WSJ usually play it straight, at least in the headlines.

And the Seattle Times front page is often far more favorable to Obama than those two national newspapers. I can not recall seeing them do a front page story on Obama where they treated him more negatively than the NYT and the WSJ. Not once.

PS - If you are who I think you are, I hope you are doing well.

Posted by Jim Miller at November 9, 2012 12:32 PM
7. .
Jim Miller,

I've harassed you from time to time on your posts, but I want to congratulate you for this one.

Only a truly dedicated person like you could not only be so repeatedly wrong headed in public, but come forward with this piece of garbage just hours after his crazy ideas, often repudiated by publicly and easily available facts, were repudiated by a landslide of the American electorate.

Good for you! Your crocodile tears for the "poor, black, and Hispanic" is nearly as good as Willard Romney telling us in the 3rd debate that he loves teachers.

Posted by MikeBoyScout at November 9, 2012 12:34 PM
8. Well the French are generally ahead of is in these matters. Thankfully are current President is leading us towards the French Economic Enlightment. After all, within three weeks of assuming office the World awarded President Obama a Nobel Peace Prize.
One only has to look at the past century and see how fortunate we are to have had the French as our allie. And don't get me started on Viet Nam. The French were so wise not to be involved. And later during the Cold War they didn't spend their money on missles and war materials like we did.

Posted by Joanie the Educator at November 9, 2012 12:37 PM
9. Joanie - That was absolutely hilarious! You're hereby extended an offer to write for us! Parody at it's best.

Posted by The Onion at November 9, 2012 02:20 PM
10. Ref. #6
Yes, I think I am and, yes, I think I am. And thanks for asking.

Posted by shapz at November 9, 2012 03:32 PM
11. Try this one on for accuracy:
http://www.gopusa.com/commentary/2012/11/08/lemiska-an-eulogy-for-america/

Posted by RushBabe49 at November 9, 2012 04:54 PM
12. re 11: I checked out your link: "This should not have been a close election. All things considered, Barack Obama should have been easily defeated, especially by a challenger so experienced and imminently competent as Mitt Romney."

Have these geniuses heard of spell-check? 'Imminently' competent is a far cry from 'eminently' competent. The whole problem with Romney was that he was imminently competent -- maybe.

Posted by red hiney monkey at November 9, 2012 05:39 PM
13. @11
"Eulogy"? Really?

The other major political party wins, and wins big at all levels, and now the country is dead?

Are you and your compatriots completely without insight or self-awareness? In that Lemiska piece he goes on and on about how Obama is going to singlehandedly drive a 'schism' down the middle of the country, while the author is the one portraying the country as 'dead' because his side lost. Don't you see the irony here?

I would hope that the massive drubbing that Willard Romeny took on Tuesday, that was echoed to every corner of every ballot all across the country, would serve as a wake up call for your side. His campaign and Republicans as a whole lived in the echo chamber, floated in a bubble utterly untethered to reality, believed their own spin and propaganda, ate up the drivel like that Lemiska piece without question - and were utterly destroyed at the ballot box because of it.

Let's start here...Obama spent most of his first four years being conciliatory to a fault. Before you howl...the whole demon 'Obamacare' was 1.a creature of the Heritage foundation, created in the 1990s as a counter to a more classically liberal approach, and 2. Mitt's signature accomplishment in Massachusetts. Moreover, the stimulus was too small and too loaded with tax cuts to be as effective as it might - whether you believe this or not, it was a huge concession to your side from what could otherwise have been a much more orthodox Keynesian approach - in order to create something that both sides could support (Remember, concessions were made with both the stimulus and healthcare to Republican negotiators who then reneged on their support - see the Maine twins).

I would hope that you and the other right-wing denizens of this blog might reexamne some of their dogma and orthoxy in light of the terrific defeat that you suffered. The reality-based world could use your efforts, but if you insist that the problem is that you guys were not rightward enough, well, you have it coming to you.

Posted by Dr. Liberal at November 9, 2012 05:39 PM
14. I know nobody read this blog, but anyhow, the premises of the post are right.
Due to the results of the elections, as Hispanic American, I missed living in a sociaty designed by Kris Kobach that would allow me to proudly should my citizen papers to any redneck cop that solicited them.
What a miss!

Posted by Sorewinner at November 9, 2012 08:27 PM
15. I know nobody read this blog, but anyhow, the premises of the post are right.
Due to the results of the elections, as Hispanic American, I missed living in a sociaty designed by Kris Kobach that would allow me to proudly should my citizen papers to any redneck cop that solicited them.
What a miss!

Posted by Sorewinner at November 9, 2012 08:28 PM
16. Jim, you are right on. And here is what some in Czech Republic are observing, even while millions of Americans can't see it yet:

"The danger to America is not Barack Obama, but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools, such as those who made him their president."

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