Great Line Jim!
So true for all sides. As with all things, "if it sounds too good to be true, it usually isn't true."
Examples:
1. Story Jim relates to
2. Obama Birther Conspiracy
3. 911 Truthers Conspiracy
4. Bigfoot or Loch Ness Monster (I know that may be stretching it, maybe they are true, but the guy in the made up suit with zipper shown isn't true).
http://publicmind.fdu.edu/2011/knowless/
Anyone with an ounce of sense would know (as I did) that the liklihood of a researcher being able to access the actual IQ scores of people who watch Fox News and those who don'r would be zero.
However, the evidence still stands that viewers of Fox News are less informed than those who do not watch any news at all. By inference, one can say that Fox Viewers are being deliberately misinformed. This has been known since 2011.
If you don't know it, you must be a Fox Viewer. Nice attempt, however, to try finessing the argument away from the fact that Fox News is a right wing propaganda machine and not a good source of actual news of the real world.
Posted by dorky dorkman at December 10, 2012 04:04 PMAnyone who bought that study is plain dumb due to lack of discernment. MSNBC and CNN are close to be regressivist propaganda machines. Not saying that Fox viewers are generally above average intelligence - they are mostly within +/- standard deviation of average intelligence. Take a hike over to HA with Goldstein with Rabbit breath and spew your hate filled rants with your fellow low intellects.
Posted by KDS at December 10, 2012 04:18 PMAcademic studies still maintain that Fox News viewers like you are far more likely to be misinformed dumba#!es than people who don't watch any news at all.
Posted by dorky dorkman at December 10, 2012 04:48 PMThose are the academic studies that fly along with the monkeys out of your a##hole.
Posted by KDS at December 10, 2012 05:32 PMThe new way of teaching math instituted by the left has been a dismal failure. Furthermore, we have a president who admittedly stopped paying attention to math in the 7th Grade - he stated to Letterman on the Tonight Show last month. That is one thing he said that I can believe - based on his poor math skills displayed in his campaign rhetoric. The left uses him as a role model ?
No wonder this country has deteriorated as nearly half of the electorate don't think studying math is cool enough for them and believe that Al Gore is a reliable source in science. These embrace the academics that publish worthless trash studies about Fox News, who should really study proctology and do a self-rectal exam after they pull their heads out...(/sarc)
Daily Kos original post on press release.
Daily Kos questions validity of study three hours later but says FOX News viewers are suckers anyway and claims other studies confirm the main point it makes.
Yahoo News posting of press release on its news site.
RSN/Reader Supported News reposts the press release in whole and lists PRWeb as the writer.
Democratic Underground reposts the study.
FreeRepublic posted a thread on the press release and then pulled it once suspicions were raised.
Reddit posted a link to a story on the press release but the comments all questioned its validity.
It's hard to see from where the "Mostly Leftists" part of this headline originated.
Posted by tensor at December 10, 2012 10:06 PMI won't presume to speak for other "liberal's," but I watch Pox News all the time, and I come here daily to read the commentary and the comments, so as to gain some insight into the mindset of my political opponents. I do so because I get so much good rhetorical ammo to use against you.
Posted by ivan at December 11, 2012 06:01 AMNeither were Fox viewers served well by the misinformation served up by the likes of Karl Rove. Who knew that Obama was more likely to win the presidency than than Romney?
Everyone except Fox viewers.
Posted by dorky dorkman at December 11, 2012 06:58 AMYou will make a lot of noise, but with incorrect information, you won't get anywhere. It will be another forty years before a generation comes along that will not instantly recognize your rubbish for what it is.
All Libertarianism is is a philosophical footstool for the rich to convince the likes of you and your fellow consrvatives of the correctness of 1% of the people in owning and controlling most of the wealth.
Posted by dorky dorkman at December 11, 2012 08:09 AMHow come you have not criticize MSNBC for anything they say that is inaccurate or not credible ? They play the race card frequently (by many of whom are racists themselves), mainly because they cannot win the argument any other way and display fascist propaganda on most every show. I'd like to see a post devoted to MSNBC's sharply politically skewed reporting.
"All Libertarianism is is a philosophical footstool for the rich to convince the likes of you and your fellow consrvatives of the correctness of 1% of the people in owning and controlling most of the wealth"
Many of the 1% are Democrats - did you know that ? I would love to see Warren Buffet pay more taxes, but he just talks and doubt if he would do that on his own unless a law were passed. Those tax loopholes that he benefits by to put his money in foreign bank accounts should be closed, but the politicians in both parties would never do that for fear of losing financial support.
Provide the source of your quote - or did you also pull that out of the location of your anatomy from where monkeys fly out ?.
Posted by KDS at December 11, 2012 10:01 AM"fascist propaganda"
Please provide a few examples of "fascist propaganda" that you've seen being presented on MSNBC?
"many of whom are racists"
Would you please identify some of the racists on MSNBC and what they do or say that you consider to be racist?
Posted by Doctor Steve at December 11, 2012 10:21 AM"The facts are fixed around the policy" is a statement that describes the right wing mindset. The very phrse 'right thinking' (that conservatives often describe themselves as being) is an unintentional admission that you'd rather hear only statements that feed your preconceptions rather than factual information that does not).
Lincoln's quote: "You can fool all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time (this is your category), but you can't fool all of the people all of the time."
Posted by dorky dorkman at December 11, 2012 12:44 PMLincoln's quote: "You can fool all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time (this is your category), but you can't fool all of the people all of the time."
Posted by dorky dorkman at December 11, 2012 12:44 PM
LMAO !! Keep drinking that stupid kool-aid and you aren't fooling us straight talkers here one f'in bit !! FYI - In that quote, Lincoln was speaking of leftist regressives.
Posted by KDS at December 11, 2012 05:52 PMhttp://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/03/13/Al%20Sharpton%20Slut-Gate
Other examples may be forthcoming - if you want more.
There's other hosts that fall into that category like Ed Schultz, Chris Matthews, O'Donnell and other radical leftist hosts.
I can also point out a few bad apples Fox that show up on various programs.
Fox appeals to the moderates and the right and MSNBC and CNN appeals to the leftists which will remain a constant.
Posted by KDS at December 11, 2012 06:12 PMThe agent said that it was a mistake. However: (1) The document was uncorrected for over a decade; (2) Obama was the most likely source for his literary agent; and (3)It's hard to believe that a narcissist like Obama wouldn't check his marketing literature.
Thus, while the birthers are still wrong, their ranks now include an agent acting on Obama's behalf.
Posted by LesLein at December 11, 2012 06:27 PM...and the sane, but yes, you're right.
MSNBC...appeals to the leftists
Actually it appeals to the Far, Far leftists. The types you see driving down I-5 with 15-20 bumper stickers showing how big of a liberal they are. I believe the number of bumper stickers on your vehicle show a direct correlation with how severily imbalanced you are mentally, but that's just one man's opinion.
Posted by Rick D. at December 11, 2012 06:30 PM@30 - True story.
for conservatives. its all about messaging effectively and not letting the leftists knock you off stride with their hate-mongering and bullying tactics. Case and point - the union thugs (far left) protesting in Michigan today trying to bully everyone else who does not support their control.
The unions had it coming from the Michigan State government and no one deserves to be oppressed by the unions, like they have been doing for the last 50 years ! (Public Sector including teachers unions are the most notorious). Unions are necessary in the private sector, but they should not require mandatory contributions to elect Democrats against their members will.
Steve, MBS and confirmed leftists - you are on the wrong and losing side here and this isn't over by a long ways - Power to the people !
Posted by KDS at December 11, 2012 06:57 PMhttp://publicmind.fdu.edu/2011/knowless/
I haven't seen any one of you present a peer reviewed study that refutes this. This was from comment #6.
I guess you are all too busy 'messaging' to think straight.
Posted by dorky dorkman at December 11, 2012 07:36 PMWhy bother trying to refute it? It is a survey, a POLL. Not some scientific study. A bunch of people were asked their OPINION. No breakdown of the demographics of the people who answered, nor a list of what was asked. A conclusion that has no basis in fact.
That you still want to beat this dead horse of Fox News being for dumb people shows just how desperate you are in attempting to validate your crumbling world view. You really are amusing in your flailing, wanting something to be true when it is patently and unequivocally false.
Posted by FurryGuy at December 11, 2012 08:00 PMhttp://publicmind.fdu.edu/2011/knowless/
Why don't you read it?
Posted by dorky dorkman at December 11, 2012 09:27 PMIt is a poll, but asked few if any real questions requiring critical thinking - something that leftist find to be a foreign concept and most consider it insulting. The origins of this attitude came being indoctrinated in by the comrade teachers @ inner-city pubic schools like Joanie aka T-S. Horsesa$$.org would be more interested in this kind of trivial stuff. Why do you neglect your people, Dork ?
Posted by KDS at December 11, 2012 10:03 PMThis survey by Fairleigh Dickinson University was conducted by telephone from Oct. 17, 2011, through Oct. 23, 2011, using a randomly selected sample of 612 resident adults statewide. The margin of error for a sample of 612 randomly selected respondents is +/- 3.5 percentage points. PublicMind interviews are conducted with professionally trained interviewers using a CATI (Computer Assisted Telephone Interviewing) system. Random selection is achieved by computerized random-digit dialing.
The total combined sample is mathematically weighted to match known demographics of age, race and gender.
Following are the questions that were asked. Needless to say, Fox viewers turned out to be the dummies:
K1: Americans now have more ways than ever before to get their news about politics and world affairs. I'm
going to read you a list of news sources. As I read the list, just say "yes" if you got news from that source any
time in the past week.
K2: These days, there is more going on in politics and the world than anyone can keep track of. We'd like to
ask about a few things that have been in the news recently, to see how well the news media has been doing its
job. To the best of your knowledge, have the opposition groups protesting in Egypt been successful in
bringing down the regime there?
K3: How about the opposition groups in Syria? Have they been successful in bringing down the regime there?
K5: A large group of protestors has been camped out on Wall Street for the last couple of weeks. To the best
of your knowledge, are these protestors mostly Republicans or Democrats?
K6: Right now, which candidate seems to be leading in the polls
for Republican Presidential nomination in 2012?
Sample Characteristics (%)
Gender
Male 50
Female 50
Age
18‐29 17
30‐44 28
45‐59 28
60+ 26
Ref. 2
White 63
Black 14
Hispanic or Latino 11
Asian 6
Other/ref. 6
Party ID
Dem. + lean Dem. 43
ind. + unsure + ref. 23
Rep. + lean Rep. 34
Actually, the definition of stupidity is to live ones life far beyond what they earn/make and can reasonably sustain. i.e. spending more than you take in on a consistently increasing basis. The same can be said for a government. That would make this president and the wildly spending politicians in the democrat party (and those who support them) the "stupid" one's, and not those who are protesting their reckless and irresponsibile spending.
It's simple. Stupid is as stupid does.
Posted by Rick D. at December 12, 2012 06:00 PMPower corrupts, Absolute power corrupts absolutely
- Lord Acton
This is as disingenuous as it gets. Why do you keep nagging Democrats about things that the Republicans have done?
A fair comparison would be that Republicans are like an alcoholic parent who breaks their child's piggybank to buy more booze (war profiteering like Dick Cheney and Halliburton), and then yells at the kid for not being thrifty.
What a jerk you are.
Posted by dorky dorkman at December 13, 2012 12:09 PMThis is your proof of fascism? You rattle off some names and that's proof? No, it's only proof that you're an idiot, even dumber than RickyD.
Posted by Doctor Steve at December 13, 2012 01:06 PMThere are a number of others showing the others and these can be shown. Keep digging your hole.. As usual you have no case !!
Posted by KDS at December 13, 2012 04:08 PMDorky - I do not answer any 1-8?? numbers as they are totally useless!! So the Fairleigh selection of their phone calls are very potentially useless!!! (BTW - My friends also do not answer 1-8?? phone calls!!)
It's boring and its unproductive.
And if those aren't enough reasons to skip the name calling, try this one: Many people -- me, for instance -- think that name calling is often a tacit admission of defeat. A person who is losing on the substance will often resort to name calling, as I've seen everywhere from an elementary playground to a academic seminar.
Posted by Jim Miller at December 13, 2012 07:05 PMIt is clear to me (and probably others) that @46 has a considerable emotional problem and should seek professional help.
and if this means goodbye here, so be it !
Posted by KDS at December 13, 2012 07:15 PMGeez, it looks like somebody @48 didn't get your message.
Posted by Doctor Steve at December 14, 2012 09:41 AMMy original response to @22 that prompted @43-
"http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/03/13/Al%20Sharpton%20Slut-Gate
Other examples may be forthcoming - if you want more.
There's other hosts that fall into that category like Ed Schultz, Chris Matthews, O'Donnell and other radical leftist hosts.
I can also point out a few bad apples Fox that show up on various programs.
Fox appeals to the moderates and the right and MSNBC and CNN appeals to the leftists which will remain a constant."
Here is @43 -
This is your proof of fascism? You rattle off some names and that's proof? No, it's only proof that you're an idiot, even dumber than RickyD.
Posted by Doctor Steve at December 13, 2012 01:06 PM
To most others, I am sure this is petty poop. Again, Jim has the power to control it if he wants by banning folks and sometimes thats the only way to get through and promote a better environment and less of a detriment to would be contributors. As said before, if you choose to ban me for sticking to my principles and pushing back against misinformation (mainly leftwing), then so be it !
Posted by KDS at December 14, 2012 11:56 AMThis site blows!
Posted by Cato at December 14, 2012 03:54 PMThere's Horsea$$.org if you want to partake in discussions pertaining to gun control. My take- a few loopholes may need to be closed in laws pertaining to purchase at gun shows to have a more comprehensive background check - sure. However, to think that;law-bidding citizens should be disarmed, while criminals and psychopaths keep on obtaining arms through the black market is brain-dead and well beyond STUPID !
Posted by KDS at December 14, 2012 04:40 PMI/We are not uncomfortable with the 2nd amendment - too often gun policies fly in the face of the 2nd Amendment and that does create discomfort and righteous concern...
Posted by KDS at December 14, 2012 05:16 PMYou overblown a#!wipe.
Nobody wants your gun. We just don't want to supply them to crazy people.
You are the best protection that Wayne LaPierre has for his cashflow.
Posted by red hiney monkey at December 14, 2012 05:43 PMYou have a problem with righteous concern - tough..
To repeat - My take- a few loopholes may need to be closed in laws pertaining to purchase at gun shows to have a more comprehensive background check - sure. However, to think that;law-bidding citizens should be disarmed, while criminals and psychopaths keep on obtaining arms through the black market is brain-dead and well beyond STUPID !
Posted by KDS at December 14, 2012 05:54 PMA good article!!
Say, Jim, just to clarify, does that qualify as name-calling or is that only when I call out someone out on your side for saying something really stupid.
Posted by Doctor Steve at December 15, 2012 06:40 AMAre you talking to me? Because there is a world of difference between saying crazy people should not have guns and disarming everyone.
Posted by red hiney monkey at December 15, 2012 07:47 AM
"President Barack Obama, who supports raising taxes and passed Obamacare, told Noticias Univision 23 on Thursday he thinks he would be considered a "moderate Republican" in the 1980s because of his economic policies.
When a reporter from the Spanish-language station in Miami asked Obama what he thought about Cuban-Americans and some Venezuelans who believe that "you favor a socialist model for our country," Obama said:
"The truth of the matter is that my policies are so mainstream that if I had set the same policies that I had back in the 1980s, I would be considered a moderate Republican."
(except for the fact his spending is almost 10 times greater than when Reagan was president, when the population has grown by slightly over 25%)
(More commentary from others..)
As The Hill noted, Cuban-Americans and Venezuelans are not the only ones concerned about Obama's socialist-leanings. Former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin said "Obama's socialist policies" will "destroy America's working class" on an appearance on Fox News two weeks ago.
To counter these claims, Obama insisted he did not think "government can solve every problem" and believed in a tax system "that is fair," which is his way of saying the wealthy in America are not paying enough taxes.
"I do believe that it makes sense that everyone in America, as rich as this country is, shouldn't go bankrupt because someone gets sick, so the things I believe in are essentially the same things your viewers believe in," Obama said.
(Just talk as he knows people want to hear that - no evidence that he really believes that, his actions contradict this) -- crack can do that to one's imagination_)
During the 1980s, Republican President Ronald Reagan cut the top marginal tax rate to 28%, streamlined regulations and unleashed economic growth that helped the United States defeat the communist Soviet Union.
Obama, on the other hand, passed bailouts, stimulus programs, Obamacare and is advocating for more tax increases even as the unemployment rate is nowhere near the 5.6% Obama promised it would be if his government programs were enacted.
(facts get in the way - those voted for this get the crap sandwich for government they deserve).
Posted by KDS at December 15, 2012 10:16 AMHuh.
Posted by Oscarphone at December 15, 2012 01:45 PM
If this teachable moment comment gets me banned from this post, then so be it !
Posted by KDS at December 16, 2012 10:13 AMI bet we could get to the bottom of this rather quickly if KDS would offer up his definition of fascism. I know that this commie-fascist would put money on it being something really silly, the stuff of an unhinged mind desperately throwing every nasty label he can think of at the hundreds of millions of Americans who aren't similarly unhinged.
Posted by Doctor Steve at December 17, 2012 09:45 AMCentralized government is synonomous with fascism (see below)
Definition of FASCISM
1
often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
2
: a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control
-- fas·cist noun or adjective often capitalized
-- fas·cis·tic adjective often capitalized
-- fas·cis·ti·cal·ly adverb often capitalized
See fascism defined for English-language learners »
See fascism defined for kids »
Examples of FASCISM
the rise of Fascism in Europe before World War II
From the first hours of Hitler's invasion of the Soviet Union, the propagandists on both sides of the conflict portrayed the struggle in stark, Manichaean language. The totalitarian nature of both regimes made this inevitable. On one side stood Hitler, fascism, the myth of German supremacy; on the other side stood Stalin, communism, and the international proletarian revolution. --Anne Applebaum, New York Review of Books, 25 Oct. 2007
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Origin of FASCISM
Italian fascismo, from fascio bundle, fasces, group, from Latin fascis bundle & fasces fasces
First Known Use: 1921
Other Government and Politics Terms
agent provocateur, agitprop, autarky, cabal, egalitarianism, federalism, hegemony, plenipotentiary, popular sovereignty, socialism
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fascism noun (Concise Encyclopedia)
Philosophy of government that stresses the primacy and glory of the state, unquestioning obedience to its leader, subordination of the individual will to the state's authority, and harsh suppression of dissent. Martial virtues are celebrated, while liberal and democratic values are disparaged. Fascism arose during the 1920s and '30s partly out of fear of the rising power of the working classes; it differed from contemporary communism (as practiced under Joseph Stalin) by its protection of business and landowning elites and its preservation of class systems. The leaders of the fascist governments of Italy (1922-43), Germany (1933-45), and Spain (1939-75)--Benito Mussolini, Adolf Hitler, and Francisco Franco--were portrayed to their publics as embodiments of the strength and resolve necessary to rescue their nations from political and economic chaos. Japanese fascists (1936-45) fostered belief in the uniqueness of the Japanese spirit and taught subordination to the state and personal sacrifice. See also totalitarianism; neofascism.
Who's responsible for:
Increased hedonism? The Left.
Single parent families? The Left.
Divorce culture. The Left.
Easy access to subsidy for the above @66? The Left.
Sitting duck, I mean gun free zones? The Left.
A lack of willingness to deal with the mentally ill? The Left.
Pill culture, and other psychiatry quackery that sedates rather than treats mentally unstable people? The Left.
Shoot 'em up movies, television and video games? The Left.
Drug culture and associated crime? The Left.
Sex culture? The Left.
Gangster / Ghetto culture? The Left,
Downplaying the significance of culture values? The Left.
The "we are all winners!" culture that engenders inadequacy in real losers? The Left.
Vehement attacks on religion, even as it provides a decent moral framework? The Left.
Vehement attacks on other by-in-large sensible moral frameworks such as Boy Scouts, etc.? The Left.
Sensationalism culture that glorifies and gives mouthpiece to crazed killers? The Media == The Left.
Welfare culture and lack of responsibility and diligence? The Left.
Grade inflation culture that leads to inadequacy and unpreparedness? The Left.
The put woman and girls forward even at the expense of boys and men culture that leaves many boys aimless? The Left.
Federal top down failed educational initiatives that have left us woefully unprepared for world competition also leading to inadequacy? The Left.
The expectation of student loan debt, mortgage debt and credit card debt that encourages class warfare and insolvency both individually and culturally? The Left.
Also @66, by running your mouth about a fantasy world where you work hard, while excusing the single moms and others who make those bad choices and listen to the garbage culture around them, you do far more damage than if you simply lived a hedonistic life and kept to yourself. Your mouthpiece of excuse reaches far more and does more damage than your own personal actions of success help.
In other words @66 If you do not challenge everyone to live within their means and work as hard as you do to pull their own weight. And yet you seek answers to the general decline and depravity of personal morays that lead to individuals capable of intense sloth and massacre; you only need search for the nearest mirror.
For more info on the myths of gun violence, see The Facts About Mass Shootings by John Fund in the WSJ. And I'll also point out that Ted Bundy and Gary Ridgway killed far more people than Adam Lanza, they just did it one at a time. It is easy to get swept up in the emotion of sensationalism, but that will not make guns go away, is not going to bring those kids back and definitely will not help fix the horrific culture of failure and dysfunction that the Left has dumped on us all for 40 years.
Posted by Leftover at December 17, 2012 11:49 AMYes, how long did it take the GRTF led by (now) Rep. Reichert to find Ridgeway? Sheesh, that guy was on the suspect list for years.
Alas that was a different time and I suspect now the Govt. Agency of choice (oh hey, GOP hate's big Govt) would have a much easier time (using taxpayer money) to link the murderous individuals to the trail of dead bodies using info gathered from those two cases (Bundy I recall was especially talkative about his modus operandi).
Meanwhile while I support the second amendment and the belief that individuals have a right to possess firearms there is room for improvement in the laws we have. Seems like Obama wanted to stay out of the way with gun control, but after all the shootings in the prior week he will get dragged into this national debate whether he likes it or not.
Posted by Cato at December 17, 2012 04:31 PMI thought you as a conservative would support the principles of the Free Market. You now saying we should abandon these principles when kids want to play video games? There are 500 million kids whom played any of the games the mass murder had in his collection, all of whom have never shot anyone outside of the confines of their TV screen. Much like the 500 million gun owners who have safely owned firearms and have never shot a fellow human being.
Posted by Cato at December 17, 2012 04:40 PM"We Real Americans don't like you fascist types, just like we don't like those damned commies."
That is akin to OJ Simpson talking and claiming he will find the murderer of Nicole Brown Simpson, or Obama claiming he is not an ideologue, where there are mountains of evidence to prove otherwise. The far left and the far right both have fascistic tendencies, of which you have an affinity for the former, Stevie.
You don't have a shred of evidence to demonstrate Republicans here have become fascists. You are welcome to try and prove some of your comments are not of a fascistic nature and I would have a very difficult time believing it based on your previous comments, which mentally imbalanced at times, whether you are in your 20's or 40's.
@73 - @70 is partly correct in his long list by including the left, but he left out the right, who were also responsible in a number of cases. It would be a good idea to limit the sale of violent video games, but that won't solve the problem. Parents need to be responsible is keeping them away from their young children. Mentally institutions should be reopened. If we could take the cost of maintaining 54K military personnel in Germany, sharply reduce this outlay and transfer to funding reopening of mental institutions, that would be way more beneficial to our culture, which has been off the rails for a long time.
Posted by KDS at December 17, 2012 05:20 PM