Comment on Entry: Danny Westneat, Anti-Liberty Man, authored by Jim Miller
1. In August, the Seattle Times columnist told us that he would like restrictions on the 1st Amendment.

Actually, he was celebrating the lack of out-of-state money in our local politics. Money is property, not speech.

Now, he is taking advantage of the Newtown massacre to create a caricature, the "Liberty Man", so he can attack the 2nd Amendment.

Actually, he merely noted that some gun controls are possible without violating the Second Amendment. (Hint to Jim: CTRL+F, "Second", will get you there.)

No doubt, somewhere in his long career, he has opposed the extension of government power over individuals (assuming, of course, that the government is controlled by his party), but I can't think of any examples, and it is easy to find counter-examples.

Actual reading of actual columns written by the actual journalist in question is completely optional for our self-appointed media critic. For example:

Westneat is not unusual among our "mainstream" journalists in favoring less liberty for individuals -- as long as his party is in power -- in fact, that's pretty much their default position. (Some, but not all, feel differently when the other party is in power.) [citation needed]

We could urge him to think a little harder about the reasons that our founders wanted a limited government, but judging by his work over the years, that would be pointless.

We could urge Sound Politics posters to have actual knowledge of the issues upon which they comment, but judging by their output over the years, that would be an utter waste of our effort.

So, instead, I am going to suggest to him that, having opposed the principles behind the 1st and 2nd Amendments, he should go ahead and attack the rest of the Bill of Rights.

He could, for example, propose huge numbers of unwanted restrictions upon a woman's right to choose a safe, legal abortion -- a right which is ensured by the Fourth Amendment. Legislators often do propose and enact such restrictions, claiming to so protect "children", even though these "children" could be safely hidden in a Petrie dish. When actual breathing children are shot multiple times at close range with automatic weapons, we no longer hear about how such restrictions on the Bill of Rights will save children. Maybe Jim could explore that in his next post -- if he can stand being called an Anti-Liberty Man for attempts to discuss restrictions on Fourth Amendment rights.

Posted by tensor at December 26, 2012 10:01 AM
2. .
Hi Jim! Hey, nice to know that you're taking 2012 out here the way you've done it all year; whacky opinions based upon poor journalism.

Tensor has covered some of your errors, but you pack a lot of errors in a few lines.

"Westneat is a great fan of the former King County executive (and current Obama administration official), Ron Sims."

Nope.

Guess you missed the information from the Wikipedia link you provided: "On June 14, 2011 - less than two years after accepting his HUD appointment - Sims announced his resignation and intent to return to Seattle, citing a desire to spend more time with his family."

It must be tough keeping up with all the breaking news, huh?

So, why not make up some news?!?

BREAKING - Jim Miller Fantasizes About Ron Sims Wanting to Quarter Troops in Our Homes

You keep at it Jim, and one of these days a post of yours will rate a solid B- for an eighth grade journalism class.

Posted by MikeBoyScout at December 26, 2012 10:21 AM
3. Again with the nonsense, Jim? Point out one line in either article where Danny Westneat proposes having the government violate the First or Second Amendments.

Posted by demokid at December 26, 2012 12:01 PM
4. You Commie libs are forgetting that conservatives have always possesed the ability to be time-travelling mind readers when it comes to divining the intentions of the founding fathers.

Shame on you! or, "Shame upon thee!!" -- just as the founding fathers intended.

Posted by red hiney monkey at December 26, 2012 12:24 PM
5. MBS - Thanks for catching my mistake, which I have corrected above.

And, if I may make three gentle suggestions about the comments, so far:

1. In general, it is not necessary to quote most of a post, in order to reply to it.

2. To avoid being needlessly harsh, let me just quote a line from Fran Lebowitz's "Children: Pro or Con": "Children respond inadequately to sardonic humor . . ." And then let you figure out the rest.

3. For those who want to try to understand the post -- and I would like to think that some of you do -- let me suggest some study of this phrase: "having opposed the principles".

Posted by Jim Miller at December 26, 2012 03:41 PM
6. How ridiculous the "argument" that "money is property, not speech." So the right to speak freely ends with the volume of one's voice?

Go ahead with your laughable illogic. I'll be the one eating popcorn watching the feds shut down your precious mainstream media corporations (or performing the mental gymnastics necessary to explain why they are NOT shuttering them).

Silly libs cutting off the branch they're sitting on...

Posted by kwiebe at December 26, 2012 04:46 PM
7. Keebler, you are correct. If money is property it would be subject to the ad valorem property tax just like land and personal property is taxed.

Tensor is just another lib who shows his stupidity by making obviously ridiculous comments.

Posted by Paddy at December 26, 2012 05:34 PM
8. Keebler, you are correct. If money is property it would be subject to the ad valorem property tax just like land and personal property is taxed.

Tensor is just another lib who shows his stupidity by making obviously ridiculous comments.

Posted by Paddy at December 26, 2012 05:35 PM
9. Keebler, you are correct. If money is property it would be subject to the ad valorem property tax just like land and personal property is taxed.

Tensor is just another lib who shows his stupidity by making obviously ridiculous comments.

Posted by Paddy at December 26, 2012 05:35 PM
10. Keebler, you are correct. If money is property it would be subject to the ad valorem property tax just like land and personal property is taxed.

Tensor is just another lib who shows his stupidity by making obviously ridiculous comments.

Posted by Paddy at December 26, 2012 05:35 PM
11. Keebler, you are correct. If money is property it would be subject to the ad valorem property tax just like land and personal property is taxed.

Tensor is just another lib who shows his stupidity by making obviously ridiculous comments.

Posted by Paddy at December 26, 2012 05:35 PM
12. Kwiebe, you are correct. If money is property it would be subject to the ad valorem property tax just like land and personal property are taxed.

Tensor is just another lib who shows his stupidity by making obviously ridiculous comments.

Posted by Paddy at December 26, 2012 05:37 PM
13. @5: For those who want to try to understand the post -- and I would like to think that some of you do -- let me suggest some study of this phrase: "having opposed the principles".

I think the commenters to date -- at least, the liberal ones! -- understand the post completely. I just think that you fail to understand it. Therefore, I'll repeat the question:

If Westneat does not propose that the government should do anything about these things, how does he favor "restrictions" on or "attack" the First and Second Amendments?

Yammering on about "principles" is not simply pointless, it's actually quite inaccurate. The Bill of Rights applies to the actions of the government, and NOT the complaints of individuals.

Even if you were going to attack Westnest of vague "principles", are his principles in these specific articles really misaligned with the actual "principles" of the First and Second Amendments? He's generally expressing that outside of a well-regulated militia, guns should be regulated, and that corporate funding should not be considered by the public as a wonderful victory for democracy or the initiative system. He may be expressing differences with the ways that these Amendments are being interpreted -- differences with your own personal interpretation -- but an "attack"?

Please. Until he proposes that the government should take a clearly unconstitutional action, he's doing nothing of the sort.

Posted by demokid at December 26, 2012 06:30 PM
14. Hey guys, you're trying to use logic on someone who asserted George Soros promotes "voting fraud"? Seriously?

Posted by Roger Rabbit at December 26, 2012 09:28 PM
15. 1. In general, it is not necessary to quote most of a post, in order to reply to it.

In general, a post which contains repeated attacks against the ethics and beliefs of another citizen should include citations from that citizen's statements or actions to support said attacks. If "most of a post" containing such repeated accusations can be quoted, without once encountering support for those accusations, then the problem lies with the author of the post, not the person who quoted it.

2. To avoid being needlessly harsh, let me just quote a line from Fran Lebowitz's "Children: Pro or Con": "Children respond inadequately to sardonic humor . . ." And then let you figure out the rest.

Those who wish to avoid "needlessly harsh" discourse can lead by example, i.e. by not making repeated groundless claims against other members of our community.

How ridiculous the "argument" that "money is property, not speech."

So, you're claiming that money is not property? Do discuss, but at least show some vague idea of what you're talking about:

If money is property it would be subject to the ad valorem property tax just like land and personal property is taxed.

I did not write that money was real property, just that it is property. (If you had large sum of cash stolen from you, you would not file a police report about stolen property?) Speech can contain intellectual property as well; I was merely pointing out what demo kid, above, noted: having huge sums of money injected into our political discourse is not the same thing as empowerment of the citizens in support of their rights. Jim's failure to understand this distinction was merely the first of a large number of errors he made in attacking Mr. Westneat.

Posted by tensor at December 26, 2012 09:37 PM
16. Hey guys, you're trying to use logic on someone who asserted George Soros promotes "voting fraud"? Seriously?
Posted by Roger Rabbit at December 26, 2012 09:28 PM

Yeah, never mind that Soros funds reincarnated ACORN groups, Organizing for America , Open Borders and other extremist quasi-marxist groups. Nah, It can't happen here.

You are one helluva piece of work, wabbit !!

Posted by KDS at December 26, 2012 09:57 PM
17. The problem with the Westneat types is that this region is full of group-thinkers that really don't think for themselves. They rant and rave and throw out their emotional, baseless arguments and defend them as if they are actually rational and sound positions. And so it goes in the I-5 Corridor of ignorance.

Posted by Rick D. at December 26, 2012 10:20 PM
18. What's our pool on how long after ACORN's demise that the folks here will stop making nefarious claims about it? Will that come before or after the same folks finally admit to President Obama's birth in Hawai'i? Or do such questions assume adequate connections to external, verifiable reality?

Speaking of which...

All that Westneat needs to do is think of a reason that Sims might want to quarter troops in our homes, and the rest of his column would practically write itself.

How, exactly, the desire of a private citizen to quarter soldiers in our homes would violate anything may well be beyond the ability of a reality-based journalist, such as Mr. Westneat, to explain. Perhaps Jim can do it for us?

Posted by tensor at December 26, 2012 10:22 PM
19. @14: Hey guys, you're trying to use logic on someone who asserted George Soros promotes "voting fraud"? Seriously?

Oh... ooops. Yeah, I forgot that if you can choose your "facts", you can "prove" anything.

@17: They rant and rave and throw out their emotional, baseless arguments and defend them as if they are actually rational and sound positions.

Like... what you're doing right here?

(Case in point, Roger? :) )

If you have something to bring to the table, then go right ahead. I'd enjoy hearing from you about how an expression of an opinion protected under the First Amendment violates anything. However, all you're doing is making yourself look like a damn fool.

Posted by demokid at December 27, 2012 02:39 AM
20. And note that it says volumes when the spam on the site makes better points than the right-wing peanut gallery... :)

Posted by demokid at December 27, 2012 07:10 AM
21. "What's our pool on how long after ACORN's demise that the folks here will stop making nefarious claims about it?"

Your assumption would be wrong. ACORN has evolved into other groups with different names but the same agenda, similar to those 4 who resigned from the State Department last week and were found to have switched over to another branch in the government. Of course, the leftist media does not wish to cover continued corruption from the left from the front group for affordable housing, that specializes in shady voter registration.
I stand by my original statement. I don't see you proving otherwise with substantive facts - have at it though and give us a few more laughs.

"Will that come before or after the same folks finally admit to President Obama's birth in Hawai'i?"

Folks ? An entirely different topic - he was born in Hawai'i to my satisfaction, so you can put that straw man to rest.

Posted by KDS at December 27, 2012 09:54 AM
22. I stand by my original statement. I don't see you proving otherwise with substantive facts...

I stand by my original assertion, which you have now nicely supported. You have provided exactly zero facts in support of your wild conspiracy theories concerning ACORN. I don't have to "prove otherwise" because the burden of proof lies upon the person making the claims. (I can understand how reading a steady diet of fact-free claims here may have led you to believe otherwise, but that's your problem, not anyone else's.)

An entirely different topic - he was born in Hawai'i to my satisfaction, so you can put that straw man to rest.

Glad to see even you can be educated, although the meager reward achieved does not justify the tremendous effort required. Please inform millions of your fellow right-wingers that President Obama is indeed eligible for the office he holds; good luck with that.

Posted by tensor at December 27, 2012 11:41 AM
23. re tensor: "Glad to see even you can be educated, although the meager reward achieved does not justify the tremendous effort required."

WC Fields expressed the same sentiment in his statement that one should: "Never give a sucker an even break or try to smarten up a chump."

It's just not worth the effort.

Posted by red hiney monkey at December 27, 2012 12:27 PM
24. @18 They'll keep milking that ACORN cow until they're all dead, so I give it another 90 years.

Posted by Roger Rabbit at December 27, 2012 04:20 PM
25. @26 -"I stand by my original assertion, which you have now nicely supported. You have provided exactly zero facts in support of your wild conspiracy theories concerning ACORN. I don't have to "prove otherwise" because the burden of proof lies upon the person making the claims. (I can understand how reading a steady diet of fact-free claims here may have led you to believe otherwise, but that's your problem, not anyone else's.)"

Back at ya - Here are some facts - you are the ones with the wild conspiracy theories about the Koch Brothers and the Tea Party. There is more updated research on voter fraud since 2010 that I can also provide. So, you have been transformed to a fact-free prevaricator. As said previously, I stand by my original posts. LMAO !!!

From Ballotopedia; (through 2010, when ACORN was disbanded)


ACORN and voter registration fraud
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Contents [hide]
1 Timeline
1.1 2009
1.2 2008
1.3 2007
1.4 2006
1.5 2005
1.6 2004
2 External links
3 References
4 Additional reading
Voter registration drives conducted by ACORN and affiliated entities have led to controversy and allegations of vote fraud.
The organization has been accused of different types of misbehavior with regard to voter registration drives:
Failing to adequately monitor and supervise its employees to the point where the organization should be held responsible for what the employees did.
Turning in "massive numbers" of duplicate registration cards.
Turning in registration cards for fictional characters.
Turning in registration cards filled out by children.
Turning in registration cards where the signatures had been forged.
Timeline

2009
Milwaukee, Wisconsin: Latoya Lewis pled guilty on October 12, 2009 on charges of voter registration fraud. Lewis, who was working for ACORN when she committed the acts in 2008 that led to her guilty plea, said she was trying to "meet her quota as a paid registrar." [1]

2008
In Orange County, Florida, ACORN staffers submitted multiple, duplicate registrations on behalf of six separate voters over this summer. One individual had 21 duplicate applications. Election Supervisor Bill Cowles and his staff protested, noting in a June memo that ACORN had been submitting sloppy forms as well.[2]
The Michigan Secretary of State office told the Detroit Free Press that ACORN had been submitting a sizeable number of duplicate and fraudulent applications to vote.[3]

In Lake County, Indiana, election officials discovered "dozens of ACORN-delivered registration forms they believe contain inaccurate voter information, including one in which a dead man from Gary was listed as the applicant." The applications were not processed.[4]

In Milwaukee, Wisconsin, Sean Cairncross, the Republican Party's chief lawyer said that ACORN is "engaged in systematic fraud and attempts to undermine our electoral system." This was in the wake of a report that had hired at least seven felons as voter registration workers in the city. As of early October, Milwaukee election officials have referred to the Milwaukee County district attorney's office 49 cases of people who submitted potentially fraudulent registration cards.[5]

An ACORN employee in West Reading, Pennsylvania, was sentenced to up to 23 months in prison for identity theft and tampering with records. A second ACORN worker pleaded not guilty to the same charges and is free on $10,000 bail.[6]
2007

In Washington, five Washington state ACORN workers were sentenced to jail time.[7] ACORN agreed to pay King County $25,000 for its investigative costs and acknowledged that the national organization could be subject to criminal prosecution if fraud occurs again. According to King County Prosecuting Attorney Dan Satterberg, the misconduct was done "as an easy way to get paid [by ACORN], not as an attempt to influence the outcome of elections."[8],[9]

In Reynoldsburg, Ohio, Claudel Gilbert was indicted on two felony counts of illegal voting and false registration, after being registered by ACORN to vote in two separate counties. He pled guilty to the illegal voting charges, his lawyer claiming voter confusion rather than criminal intent. The charges of false registration were dropped by the Franklin County prosecutor's office. Common Pleas Judge Richard A. Frye sentenced Gilbert to probation for one year and fined him $500 but suspended a six-month prison sentence[10]

In Missouri, four ACORN employees were indicted in Kansas City for charges including identity theft and filing false registrations during the 2006 election.
2006

On November 1, 2006, four part-time ACORN employees were indicted in Kansas City, Missouri for voter registration fraud. Prosecutors said the indictments are part of a national investigation.[11] ACORN said in a press release that it is in part responsible in these individuals being caught, fired them, and cooperated and publicly supported efforts to look into the validity of the allegations.[12]

ACORN was investigated in 2006 for submitting false voter registrations in St. Louis, Missouri. 1,492 fraudulent voter registrations were identified.[13],[14]

The Richland County (South Carolina) Voter Registration Office in October 2006 heard from a person who had received a new voter registration card without applying for it. On investigation, the office discovered the application had been turned in by an ACORN worker. The State Law Enforcement Division investigated the situation. They discovered that ACORN had recruited four Benedict College students to register new voters. The group's political advisor found some had questionable entries, eventually firing all four workers. Two of the students were charged with election law violations for false swearing in applying for registration. In 2009, the case was settled and no penalties that may have been assessed against the students, who were minors at the time of the irregularities, were announced in public.[15]
2005

In Colorado in January 2005, two Colorado ACORN workers were sentenced to community service for submitting false voter registrations.[16] ACORN's regional director said, "we find it abhorrent and do everything we can to prevent it from happening."[17]

In Virginia, the State Board of Elections admonished Project Vote and ACORN for turning in a significant number of faulty voter registrations. An audit revealed that 83% of sampled registrations that were rejected for carrying false or questionable information were submitted by Project Vote. Many of these registrations carried social security numbers that exist for other people, listed non-existent or commercial addresses, or were for convicted felons in violation of state and federal election law. In a letter to ACORN, the State Board of Elections reported that 56% of the voter registration applications ACORN turned in were ineligible. Further, a full 35% were not submitted in a timely manner, as required by law. The State Board of Elections also commented on what appeared to be evidence of intentional voter fraud. "Additionally," they wrote, "information appears to have been altered on some applications where information given by the applicant in one color ink has been scratched through and re-entered in another color ink. Any alteration of a voter registration application is a Class 5 Felony in accordance with ยง 24.2-1009 of the Code of Virginia."
2004

In Ohio in 2004, four ACORN employees were indicted by a federal grand jury for submitting false voter registration forms.[18]

In Texas, ACORN turned in the voter registration form of David Young, who told reporters "The signature is not my signature. It's not even close." His social security number and date of birth were also incorrect.

In Pennsylvania, the director of elections in Reading reported receiving calls from numerous individuals complaining that ACORN employees deliberately put inaccurate information on their voter registration forms. The Berks County director of elections said voter fraud was "absolutely out of hand," and added: "Not only do we have unintentional duplication of voter registration but we have blatant duplicate voter registrations." The Berks County deputy director of elections added that ACORN was under investigation by the Department of Justice.
In Michigan, The Detroit Free Press reported that "overzealous or unscrupulous campaign workers in several Michigan counties are under investigation for voter-registration fraud, suspected of attempting to register nonexistent people or forging applications for already-registered voters." ACORN-affiliate Project Vote was one of two groups suspected of turning in the documents.

In Florida, a Florida Department of Law Enforcement spokesman said ACORN was "singled out" among suspected voter registration groups for a 2004 wage initiative because it was "the common thread" in the agency's fraud investigations.

Posted by KDS at December 27, 2012 05:52 PM
26. @30: There is more updated research on voter fraud since 2010 that I can also provide. So, you have been transformed to a fact-free prevaricator. As said previously, I stand by my original posts.

Then you don't understand the facts, and your opinion is not based on them.

To wit, the reasons why there were problems with ACORN are clear:

According to King County Prosecuting Attorney Dan Satterberg, the misconduct was done "as an easy way to get paid [by ACORN], not as an attempt to influence the outcome of elections."[8],[9]

There was no systematic voter fraud at play here.

Posted by demokid at December 28, 2012 02:04 AM
27. While demo kid nicely noted how the evidence you provided contradicts the historical claims you have made against ACORN, I'll merely note that you have utterly failed to provide any evidence to support your current claim:

...Soros funds reincarnated ACORN groups, Organizing for America , Open Borders and other extremist quasi-marxist groups.

As Mr. Soros is a refugee from Communist oppression, I'm sure he'll be very surprised to find he's funding it here. Meanwhile, WTF does any of your raving have to do with Jim's error-ridden post about Danny Westneat?


Posted by tensor at December 28, 2012 08:29 AM
28. Trolls and usual suspects, we barbarians in places other than King County and Seattle don't give a rip about Danny Westneat or any of the other effete snobs from your city and county. Give it a rest!

Posted by Politically Incorrect at December 28, 2012 09:28 AM
29. @28: Trolls and usual suspects, we barbarians in places other than King County and Seattle don't give a rip about Danny Westneat or any of the other effete snobs from your city and county.

Tell that to Jim. He brought it up.

Posted by demokid at December 28, 2012 11:12 AM
30. "Then you don't understand the facts, and your opinion is not based on them."

False - you don't understand the facts and don't care to. Furthermore, you have nothing to offer in rebuttal and choose to be ignorant about the voter registration fraud, the main cause of voter fraud. Are you mimicking Ezra Klein ?

To wit, the reasons why there were problems with ACORN are clear:

"According to King County Prosecuting Attorney Dan Satterberg, the misconduct was done "as an easy way to get paid [by ACORN], not as an attempt to influence the outcome of elections."[8],[9]

There was no systematic voter fraud at play here."

Posted by demokid at December 28, 2012 02:04 AM

You willfully missed the point - that involved voter registration fraud, that led to systematic voter fraud. The easy way was to get paid for signatures, as ACORN did per Satterburg's statement which were voter registrations, a number of which were fraudulent - I challenge you to check the details of the case. Sharkansky is laughing at your absurd conclusion upon reading it. Once, the votes are counted, it is typically too late to do anything about weeding out fraudulent votes.

That's why leftist scoundrels like you oppose voter ID, that would reduce the incidence of voter registration, hence voter fraud.

I also concur with @28- Politically Incorrect's comment.

Posted by KDS at December 28, 2012 05:38 PM
31. @31 - I was only doing my duty in correcting the misinformation spewed from @27 and @29.

In all seriousness, your's was only a blanket statement under the guise of pushing hair extensions. You won't get much business here though.

Posted by KDS at December 28, 2012 06:40 PM
32. "reduce the incidence of voter registration, hence voter fraud"

Brilliant. Eliminate voter registration and the non-problem of voter registration fraud is completely solved.

Posted by Doctor Steve at December 28, 2012 06:47 PM
33. @30 You appear to assume that if fictional voter registrations are turned in by an ACORN worker to pad his paycheck, those phony registrations ipso facto result in fraudulent votes. But how does submitting a registration form for a fictional voter turn into a real person voting under that registration? I think Satterberg got it right; fictional registrations don't influence elections because fictional voters don't vote.

Posted by Roger Rabbit at December 28, 2012 07:46 PM
34. I think Satterberg got it right; fictional registrations don't influence elections because fictional voters don't vote.

Posted by Roger Rabbit at December 28, 2012 07:46 PM

LMAO !! What orifice did you pull that one out of ? Satterburg got it right and you made up that conclusion, rodent !

@32 - voter registration fraud. You can't concoct a reasonable explanation, so you also make up your own facts. Neither of you bothered to verify if there was voter fraud associated with this case, until you do, your arguments are exceedingly flatulent.

Here are two more cases that led to voter fraud - the question is were these caught before or after the elections ?

In Pennsylvania, the director of elections in Reading reported receiving calls from numerous individuals complaining that ACORN employees deliberately put inaccurate information on their voter registration forms. The Berks County director of elections said voter fraud was "absolutely out of hand," and added: "Not only do we have unintentional duplication of voter registration but we have blatant duplicate voter registrations." The Berks County deputy director of elections added that ACORN was under investigation by the Department of Justice.

In Michigan, The Detroit Free Press reported that "overzealous or unscrupulous campaign workers in several Michigan counties are under investigation for voter-registration fraud, suspected of attempting to register nonexistent people or forging applications for already-registered voters." ACORN-affiliate Project Vote was one of two groups suspected of turning in the documents."

This is off topic, but it demonstrates the inability of the leftwing extremists to make a factual argument. Did you ever check which activist groups that George Soros finances ? Nah - that would further gouge your argument - enough jokes for now...

Posted by KDS at December 28, 2012 09:44 PM
35. "reduce the incidence of voter registration"

Reduce voter registration. Because you have a phobia. Right.

I'll hope that Mr. Miller shows some mercy and closes this thread before you make an even bigger fool of yourself.

Posted by Doctor Steve at December 29, 2012 09:00 AM
36. You can't even quote correctly and left out the entire quote. What I said was; "That's why leftist scoundrels like you oppose voter ID, that would reduce the incidence of voter registration, hence voter fraud."
It should have read "reduce the incidence of illegal voter registration" - my bad.

One more thing - Republicans are not lilly white here either, there have been cases of them being found guilty of illegal voter registration in Oregon and there was also a case in Indiana and other incidences. All I am saying is that voter ID would level the playing field for both sides, with the allowance for amendments by primarily Democrats to minimize voter suppression, since they are the ones who whine about that.

The Federal Government could take the lead on this - as is the case in Canada. However, measures like that would be better implemented by the states, since the Federal Government is larger, congress is so polarized and it is also more corrupt with an AG who supports gun running to Mexico and is dead set against voter ID because of alleged voter suppression. It should be left up to the states. End of discussion !

Posted by KDS at December 29, 2012 09:47 AM
37. I'll hope that Mr. Miller shows some mercy and closes this thread before you make an even bigger fool of yourself.

Looks like it's too late for that!

Posted by scottd at December 29, 2012 11:19 AM
38. "It should have read "reduce the incidence of illegal voter registration""

Overreact much? I simply commented on what you wrote. You finally get around to admitting that you mispoke and yet you're still so very angry, beyond being unhinged even. I can only conclude that somewhere beyond angrily unhinged is the "normal" state of mind for you.

Posted by Doctor Steve at December 29, 2012 12:42 PM
39. Still waiting for KDS to show us evidence of George Soros funding a reconstituted SPECTRE-- sorry, ACORN -- for Marxist domination of wherever.

In a way, though, his off-topic rantings bring us back to the original post, wherein Jim thought vague innuendoes and groundless accusations actually held meaning, actually justified the time and effort of a real adult. KDS' persistence in flogging the long-dead corpse of ACORN shows us the only audience remaining for Jim's "media criticism" -- deep-in-the-tank dead-enders, people who really thought Rmoney could get 300+ electoral votes if only they clapped loudly enough.

Posted by tensor at December 29, 2012 12:44 PM
40. @39,

I support Soros' ideas about the War on Drugs: it's a waste of time and money. He's got some other whacky, stuff, though, so I not completely enamored of the guy and his ideas.

Posted by Politically Incorrect at December 30, 2012 04:41 PM
41. Oh boy---those liberals are going to be scar-eeeeaming about Obama signing a renewal of the warrantless wiretapping law......

What? Nobody's complaining? Double standard alert!

Posted by Michele at December 30, 2012 05:59 PM
42. What? Nobody's complaining? Double standard alert!

Hey, Michele -- I'm complaining! The FISA renewal is a national disgrace.

As I recall, this bill passed the Republican House first with 227 GOP votes. And what was the GOP's Senate leadership position on this? Mitch McConnel is ready to filibuster just about anything, but he was strangely silent on this. A pox on all of them!

If more of the so-called libertarian GOP spoke out against stuff like this, I'd start listening to them.


Posted by scottd at December 30, 2012 07:14 PM
43. "What? Nobody's complaining? Double standard alert!"

Yeah, like we love us some warrantless wire-taps. If we look for common ground we'll find it. After all, the left-right paradigm is a just a reality construct. It's only as real as we want it to be. I'd say that it's those who would drop turds in their pants to see us search for common ground instead of bickering our way towards deeper division who are the real enemies of this nation, Michele, not you and I.

Posted by Doctor Steve at December 31, 2012 09:55 AM
44. Danny Westneat is pretty low hanging fruit so why waste time writing about him here. Ive said this before but his arguments dont last very long when someone applies critical thinking. Its kind of like picking on someone. In his favorite words, its not "fair" to pick on his child like ideas on business and the role of governement. I think the times has him on the payroll as part of some sort of affirmative action quota. they needed a shallow thinker with a low grade point. check that one off.

Posted by David Petersen at December 31, 2012 02:17 PM
45. Danny Westneat is pretty low hanging fruit so why waste time writing about him here. Ive said this before but his arguments dont last very long when someone applies critical thinking. Its kind of like picking on someone. In his favorite words, its not "fair" to pick on his child like ideas on business and the role of governement. I think the times has him on the payroll as part of some sort of affirmative action quota. they needed a shallow thinker with a low grade point. check that one off.

Posted by David Petersen at December 31, 2012 02:17 PM
46. "The FISA renewal is a national disgrace."

Boy, ain't THAT the truth!!

Posted by Politically Incorrect at December 31, 2012 04:50 PM